>> well, let me now defend john mccain a bit on that front. i disagree with him holding up chuck hagel for personal reasons, and i made that very clear off the top of the show. certainly with big defense cuts coming and with 66,000 troops in afghanistan. but this is the way the united states senate works. and it's the way the houseworked as well. if you had somebody on the house floor, and we saw this, going on the floor time and time again and rubbing people -- it's one thing to oppose a bill. >> right. >> it's one thing to oppose a war. it's one thing to oppose a surge. but chuck hagel seemed to relish in the great publicity he was getting by rubbing president bush's nose in it, by rubbing john mccain's nose in it, by rubbing his republican colleagues' nose in it. he was acting self-righteous and like he was the only holy man in washington, d.c. i'm not, again, defending what the republicans are doing today, but i think whether you talk to carl or anybody else, this is the way washington works. i said it about ted cruz. ted cruz is going to